Introduction For the better part of a month, I was engaged with Mark Cuban in conversations around Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) over on 𝕏. This article will be my attempt to document the various twists and turns those exchanges took. Note that Mark Cuban had made several other comments on DEI by the point our interactions began (and while those talks were happening), but I am focusing on our exchanges since they provide a decent back-and-forth conversational narrative.
It is nice to see he was open to discussion but even when faced with obvious flaws he would try and bob and weave. I am embarrassed for him. It seems more embarrassing than thinking through the new information but this takes some humility. I can only assume Mark is not use to being wrong when challenged and doesn't handle being wrong well. There are many people like this.
On the whole topic of DEI hiring, this discrimination has been around since the 80s. I know for sure twice it has negatively impacted me and suspect a couple of other times. The real problem is it is hard to prove. The first time it happened to me in the late 80s I didn't even know it was illegal until someone told me later after I shared the experience. Not one to play the victim, I have always told myself their loss and moved forward. I have seen discrimination manifest as nepotism, group preference or from protected classes. The protected class discrimination happens from what I can tell at large companies and government more frequently. The other two are more prevalent at smaller companies. Perfect meritocracy is a unicorn but that doesn't mean we should strive for it.
But recent years even before this DEI push, it seems it has gotten much worse especially as large companies. It is not about getting the best person for the company/job but getting someone that is good enough or can be trained up that fills quotas. I have been told this by management. Management bonuses are tied to these quotas. HR filters the resumes and some how you never see non-protect class applicants. It appears statistically improbable. You know someone you shared the information with applied you have to ask where the resume is only to get some garbage excuse. I can only hope as some point the lawsuits will fly and change this practice. If someone not in the protected class slips in, it is more likely because the others candidates were inadequate or none applied.
DEI started in 1964 with Affirmative Action legislation that implicitly discriminated against straight white males on the basis of race, gender and sexual orientation. It has adversely impacted every American straight white male alive from 1964 to today whether they realize it or not. And it will continue to negatively impact straight white males, children or adult, until it is dismantled in both private and public sectors.
Well, not exactly. Those who authored the Civil Rights Act likely had good intentions. If you examine how the laws morphed in the years after you get a good example of the trajectory, and that is when people like me realized that things were not going well for white men. For me it happened in 1970 when I was working and also in college and I realized that if I stopped working while in college I might not have a job when I graduated. So I continued to work fulltime while going to college until the employer would guaranty me a job when I got out of college. But even then things had changed and my career slowed down a lot.
The path to Hell is paved with good intentions. Anyway, this is not about you or I; Affirmative Action gave legal protections to everyone but straight white males and as a result fostered racism, sexism and sexual orientation discrimination against them.
You have far more patience than me. Over the years of observation, I find Cuban passive-aggressive and quite arrogant. When the spat between he and Musk first broke out it was obvious Musk was referring to DEI as applied in the real world and Cuban about what it is ideally.
Mark Cuban is Jewish. His reasoning can be summed up in merely a few sentenced. "I am Jewish. My tribe is enemies with the European tribes. I promote policies which erode the functionality of European societies and make life harder for people in the European tribes because they are my tribal enemies."
That's all there is to it. Leftism is and has always been about simple biological hostilities, whether between different ethnic tribes or between different biological categories within one tribe. Everything else is dressing.
With all due respect, the first interaction you describe shows you either did not read or understand Cuban's point. You ask him why group identity should change the probability of someone "obtaining a position." Cuban provides 3 reasons why a _business_ might want to do that for business reasons. You answer back "So you’re okay with Asian students being discriminated against during _college_ admissions." In his reply Cuban had not mentioned anything at all about universities, only businesses.
I don't think I saw anything that addressed the meaning and use of words like DEI. The words have very specific historical meanings and Mark Cuban used those meanings in his discussion. Others redefine those words then apply them outwardly to the world as if their meanings were the actual meanings all along. BLM is another example. There are the words and then there are what people want you to believe are the meaning of the words. The EEOC can be included here as one person will interpret the laws differently than the next person in that job.
Good evening. The topic raised in this article has been around for centuries and the results can be traced from the Roman Empire to the present day. The privileges given on the basis of race, gender or religion have not added to the progress of either companies or the state. Sooner or later it leads to revolution or recession. He who chooses the best of the best is guaranteed success in his business.Wisdom is not measured by skin color, it is either there or it is not.So as the ancients said, judge a man by his deeds.You can say many different words about it, but it will not change the essence.
European and European colonies did extremely well when they were White Supremacist, overwhelmingly Christian, and had explicit sex based societal roles.
It is nice to see he was open to discussion but even when faced with obvious flaws he would try and bob and weave. I am embarrassed for him. It seems more embarrassing than thinking through the new information but this takes some humility. I can only assume Mark is not use to being wrong when challenged and doesn't handle being wrong well. There are many people like this.
On the whole topic of DEI hiring, this discrimination has been around since the 80s. I know for sure twice it has negatively impacted me and suspect a couple of other times. The real problem is it is hard to prove. The first time it happened to me in the late 80s I didn't even know it was illegal until someone told me later after I shared the experience. Not one to play the victim, I have always told myself their loss and moved forward. I have seen discrimination manifest as nepotism, group preference or from protected classes. The protected class discrimination happens from what I can tell at large companies and government more frequently. The other two are more prevalent at smaller companies. Perfect meritocracy is a unicorn but that doesn't mean we should strive for it.
But recent years even before this DEI push, it seems it has gotten much worse especially as large companies. It is not about getting the best person for the company/job but getting someone that is good enough or can be trained up that fills quotas. I have been told this by management. Management bonuses are tied to these quotas. HR filters the resumes and some how you never see non-protect class applicants. It appears statistically improbable. You know someone you shared the information with applied you have to ask where the resume is only to get some garbage excuse. I can only hope as some point the lawsuits will fly and change this practice. If someone not in the protected class slips in, it is more likely because the others candidates were inadequate or none applied.
DEI started in 1964 with Affirmative Action legislation that implicitly discriminated against straight white males on the basis of race, gender and sexual orientation. It has adversely impacted every American straight white male alive from 1964 to today whether they realize it or not. And it will continue to negatively impact straight white males, children or adult, until it is dismantled in both private and public sectors.
Well, not exactly. Those who authored the Civil Rights Act likely had good intentions. If you examine how the laws morphed in the years after you get a good example of the trajectory, and that is when people like me realized that things were not going well for white men. For me it happened in 1970 when I was working and also in college and I realized that if I stopped working while in college I might not have a job when I graduated. So I continued to work fulltime while going to college until the employer would guaranty me a job when I got out of college. But even then things had changed and my career slowed down a lot.
The path to Hell is paved with good intentions. Anyway, this is not about you or I; Affirmative Action gave legal protections to everyone but straight white males and as a result fostered racism, sexism and sexual orientation discrimination against them.
It was an amazing experience to watch . Thanks Rabbit . ☮️
Well played comrade. Hilarious to see you and Wu Wei dunking on Cuban.
I got half way through the exchanges & all I could think of was “Pete & Reoeat went down to the lake. Pete fell in & who was left?”
Cuban must only get laid if he says this stuff. He’s pathetic.
No, he just hates White people because he is not White, or at least doesn't view himself as White.
Mark is either stupid, bribed, or blackmailed. Not sure which.
You have far more patience than me. Over the years of observation, I find Cuban passive-aggressive and quite arrogant. When the spat between he and Musk first broke out it was obvious Musk was referring to DEI as applied in the real world and Cuban about what it is ideally.
Mark Cuban is Jewish. His reasoning can be summed up in merely a few sentenced. "I am Jewish. My tribe is enemies with the European tribes. I promote policies which erode the functionality of European societies and make life harder for people in the European tribes because they are my tribal enemies."
That's all there is to it. Leftism is and has always been about simple biological hostilities, whether between different ethnic tribes or between different biological categories within one tribe. Everything else is dressing.
With all due respect, the first interaction you describe shows you either did not read or understand Cuban's point. You ask him why group identity should change the probability of someone "obtaining a position." Cuban provides 3 reasons why a _business_ might want to do that for business reasons. You answer back "So you’re okay with Asian students being discriminated against during _college_ admissions." In his reply Cuban had not mentioned anything at all about universities, only businesses.
I don't think I saw anything that addressed the meaning and use of words like DEI. The words have very specific historical meanings and Mark Cuban used those meanings in his discussion. Others redefine those words then apply them outwardly to the world as if their meanings were the actual meanings all along. BLM is another example. There are the words and then there are what people want you to believe are the meaning of the words. The EEOC can be included here as one person will interpret the laws differently than the next person in that job.
Good evening. The topic raised in this article has been around for centuries and the results can be traced from the Roman Empire to the present day. The privileges given on the basis of race, gender or religion have not added to the progress of either companies or the state. Sooner or later it leads to revolution or recession. He who chooses the best of the best is guaranteed success in his business.Wisdom is not measured by skin color, it is either there or it is not.So as the ancients said, judge a man by his deeds.You can say many different words about it, but it will not change the essence.
European and European colonies did extremely well when they were White Supremacist, overwhelmingly Christian, and had explicit sex based societal roles.
A clear win RH